Foucault interview that was lost for decades


In the interview, Foucault discusses his work in “Madness and Civilization” and ties it to his greater project. He goes on to talk about knowledge and truth, the subject and societal tolerance. “The universality of our knowledge,” Foucault explains, “has been acquired at the cost of exclusions.”

I wondered, if at all, we Westerns were deceiving ourselves greatly. We readily imagine that we are a very tolerant society – that we have welcomed all the forms of the past, all the cultural forms foreign to us, that we welcome also behavior, language, and sexual deviations, etc. I wonder if this is an illusion…in other words, in order to know madness it has to first be excluded. Maybe we could also say that in order to know other cultures…we must no doubt have had not only to marginalize them, not only look down upon them, but also to exploit them, to conquer them and in some ways through violence to keep them silent.”

Later, Foucault explains the role drugs can play in interrogating knowledge.

“Deep down what is experience of drugs if not this,” he says, “to erase limits, to reject divisions, to put away all prohibitions, and then ask oneself the question, what has become of knowledge?”

Foucault experimented with drugs in his personal life, and elsewhere had described dropping acid in America’s Death Valley as a transformational life experience.

Later, in an elucidating moment, Foucault responds to Elders about his personal life.

“You are saying that I refuse to speak about my personal life,” Foucault retorts, “but I don’t see what I’ve been talking about for the past half an hour if not my personal life.”

Some have argued that Foucault’s work was, in a way, biographical. In his personal life, Foucault dealt with depression and at times tried to commit suicide. His mental illness was often attributed, by doctors of his time, to his homosexuality. It should be no surprise then that Foucault’s work examines problems from his own life – conceptions of madness and sexuality, the medical system, and the idea of normalcy.


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